Ep. 19: The Future of Work with Tim Salau

In this episode, Ziz and Pam get to discuss the future of work with Tim Salau, the CEO and founder of Guide. His mission is to “strengthen the bonds people share through compassionate action.” Tim hosts Unleashing the Future of Work (UTFOW), a live online series available on LinkedIn Live, Spotify, and Apple Podcast. Guide is a B2B learning and talent development platform that helps people to learn the skills they need to advance their careers.

They share ideas on driving change in communities, promoting collaboration between businesses and high schools, and looking at education and career planning in a whole new way. Meaning is an important part of the discussion. If you are passionate about the work you’re doing and it is meaningful then that is what will sustain your career. When you live your purpose, you’ll find success in the #futureofwork!


Tim: “The future of work is constantly being molded and shaped.” 

Tim: “Everything a high schooler needs to develop that career they want they can do in high school. You don’t have to wait until you get to college nowadays and you don’t have to wait until you get into corporate America.”

Tim: “There is so much access to information, the tools, and even mentorship, online.”

Tim: “My biggest advice for high schoolers is, don’t take this opportunity in your youth for granted.”

Tim: “Colleges and universities need to stop acting as if they are the premier solution for education because the reality is that they are not anymore. They do offer value in the sense of the experience of college. I believe it’s really important because you get to build relationships, you get to build a network, and professors can as act mentors, kind of a guiding light. But you also have to think about what the consumer experience is for early-career, college students. Do you think it’s fair for them to be paying $50K tuition but that isn’t actually leading to a longterm career path?”

Tim: “Colleges have to work with private sector leaders and businesses to create new models that actually value the customer which in this case is the student.”

Tim: “The community component to learning is just as crucial as the self-directed motivation.”

Ziz: “In the middle of it all is relationships. That’s the intersection and that might be the rub with a lot of different people.”

Tim: “If you give someone the right relationships early on in a career whether in high school or in college, and they come from a circumstance of low income, inequality, they face microaggressions their entire life, but if they just had two or three people who are practitioners and who can be guiding lights and mentors, that can create a world of difference. That can go a long way.”

Tim: “As an activist, I feel it’s my job every single day to be the change that I want to see… For too long we’ve seen policies in education, as well as the social justice system, that are inhumane and don’t reflect the multicultural, global world we live in.”

Pam: “You can’t make somebody do something, but you can inspire that change. And by giving people somebody to look up to, who has done it and is willing to turn around and help the next person up.”

Ziz: “At some point, our career will end or we have to shift. So many of us have had to reinvent ourselves with Covid-19, with the gig economy, that is something we aren’t talking about enough.”

Tim: “Often the hardest part about education reform is getting buy-in from parents who aren’t seeing the times or living in the times that we’re actually in.”

Tim: “We have to create and foster this ecosystem where parents, high schools, and also the private sector are aligned and seeing each other’s perspectives.”

Pam: “We have anxiety and depression in schools, you go into the next system and you bring it along with you. 84% of people are dissatisfied and unhappy in their jobs, so they go home and release it somewhere. It’s what Viktor Frankl called, the ‘existential vacuum.'”

Tim: “Teaching is the highest form of service. The people who educate and serve, and try to nurture the minds of young people or the next generation, there’s a lot of service and compassion in that.”

Tim: “The world isn’t built by consumers, the people who change the world are creators.”



Big Picture Learning: It is our vision that all students live lives of their own design, supported by caring mentors and equitable opportunities to achieve their greatest potential. We move forward prepared to activate the power of schools, systems & education through student-directed, real-world learning. We are activists.

Imblaze: ImBlaze allows students to experience the power of internships, apprenticeships, community service, CTE Training Programs, Shadow Days, and College Dual Enrollment.

Esther Wojcicki: Global Moonshots in Education works to enable every child to reach their fullest potential by being fully engaged and inspired in their learning. The 21st century demands a fundamental shift in the mindset and culture of teaching today. The fundamental shift is to give students more control and agency in the classroom. To achieve this, the role of the teacher needs to change from the lecture model to the mentor/coach on the side model.  That is the teacher needs to change from the “sage on the stage” to “the guide on the side.”  The more a teacher does for a student in the learning process, the less empowered the student is.

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