Ep. 4: How We Met

In this BONUS episode, Ziz and Pam talk about how their mutual interests in education and the health and wellbeing of young people brought them together. Over the years, they’ve both raised kids, worked extensively with youth in their communities, and developed a passion for making a difference.  

Tune in to hear more about their journey, their discoveries, and what led them to start this podcast.

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