Ep. 8: Learning From Our Children

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In this episode, Ziz and Pam talk about how parents can create the conditions for children to rise, simply by letting them be who they are. We can learn a lot from our children if we give them the freedom to explore and discover for themselves what makes them unique. When parents stop trying to ‘fix’ children and instead, empower them on their journey, children will flourish.

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Dr. Shefali’s The Conscious Parent

Pam’s Changing the Culture of Sameness blog

Pam: “We’ve defined their value as an external output, whether it be a grade, whether it be an award, whether it be a test score, whether it be a salary, whether it be a degree so that they’re constantly measuring up against an external output–and always not measuring up in some way, shape or form. And that is what causes that shame and this distress in our culture, our society.”

David Brooks’ piece in The Atlantic, The Nuclear Family Was a Mistake 

Daniel Pink’s Drive 

Ziz: “In Daniel Pink’s book, Drive, he talks about one of the things that we all want is to belong. And if I remember correctly, he also talked about how Google allocated time for their employees to work on a project that they wanted to work on, giving them autonomy. In doing so, Gmail came about.  When we give individuals autonomy, we help them to belong, unbelievable things happen.”

Duncan Wardle 

Duncan Wardle talks about where creativity happens. It isn’t isolated to the office but happens in the shower and on a walk. Based on this concept, Google offered its employees a 20% rule, meaning that on one day a week, they are able to do whatever they want to do. When Microsoft experimented in Japan with a four-day workweek, productivity increased by around 40%. So, trapping us in certain environments…has been not productive and has, in fact, led to a lot of distress. This is manifesting itself in what Viktor Frankl called the ‘existential vacuum’ which leads to aggression, depression, and addiction. We may numb ourselves, get depressed, get aggressive, angry and mad because we aren’t valued.

Viktor Frankl

Frankl predicted that dealing with human beings as if they are a mere thing would take its toll. He wholeheartedly agreed with sociologist, William Irwin Thompson when he said “Humans are not objects that exist as tables and chairs. They live–and if they find that their lives are reduced to the mere existence of chairs or tables, then they commit suicide.”

The Real Cost of a Meaningless Education

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